Central Buckeye Conference (CBC) 2024

Yet, not one football state champion and Graham may be a benchmark in the state arena, wrestling, but that is smoke in mirrors. I think Shawnee had a state champ wrestler...Allen??? I would guess Urbana and Shawnee are the only schools to get to the state finals in football. Not dissing other CBC sports, just staying real with football.
Yes. Rick Allen. Was a teacher and FB/Wrestling coach for a few years before his teaching position was eliminated. In the same time frame there was also a Cyle Young who either won state or took second in wrestling. Went on to play FB at UM.
 
Yes. Rick Allen. Was a teacher and FB/Wrestling coach for a few years before his teaching position was eliminated. In the same time frame there was also a Cyle Young who either won state or took second in wrestling. Went on to play FB at UM.
I saw that cat play football and wrestle and wow oh wow, he was something else. He should not be confused with the one arm drummer from Def Leppard, lol. There was another FB player and wrestler around time, Hardy, Hart, Harts??? (my memory is failing me). I do remember being impressed with him both on the field and mat. I think we talked about Young before and he has (had) a UM Rose Bowl jersey in the school display case. Did not know he was a wrestler. .

Oh, the things one learns on Yappi.
 
I saw that cat play football and wrestle and wow oh wow, he was something else. He should not be confused with the one arm drummer from Def Leppard, lol. There was another FB player and wrestler around time, Hardy, Hart, Harts??? (my memory is failing me). I do remember being impressed with him both on the field and mat. I think we talked about Young before and he has (had) a UM Rose Bowl jersey in the school display case. Did not know he was a wrestler. .

Oh, the things one learns on Yappi.
Jon Hart. Good friend with Rick. Was my defensive line coach. Married the former 2New meteorologist Randi Ricco. Believe he is currently teaching and coaching at Loveland.
 
The "soft" argument is overplayed, in my opinion. I feel that, as generations change, so does society, and football (all sports really) need to change with it. The easy excuse is to say the kids are soft. Shouldn't it be on the coaches (in the real world, the boss, manager, whoever) to adjust for the kids, to an extent? Don't we expect coaches to adjust the X's and O's to fit the kids they have in their program? Just my input, but I think it is up to coaches to find a way to get their athletes to buy in and be successful. "Soft" is just an excuse, a problem, and coaches should focus on solutions, not problems. My 2 cents.
I see your point and will somewhat agree but somehow I see coaches adapting more than parents.

Maybe it isn't the kids gone soft but the parents. That dynamic has changed more than anything I can remember. IMO, Coaches have evolved and they have adapted to current football philosophy and their available player talent and it ain't their job to raise someone else kid.

It does not take me long to see kids in pre game that are the workers and the ones begging for 50 bucks from mom or dad. Sadly, the 50 buck beggars are overtaking the workers.

Yes, I do believe there is a "softness" in kids but again under the wings of their parents. Christ, I saw mothers in the stands with banners, flowers and homecoming proposals for their sons dance date. WTF?!? Promposals, again, WTF?!? Coaches have evolved but parents have devolved.

Manager, boss, owner. Nope. my company, my way. Conform or look for another job, there are workers looking for jobs and will perform as the job dictates. I can argue this both ways but right now, I see parents needing to build some calluses on Jr and get the F out of the way. One day pampered kids are going to need to make hay on their own. Hell, some of the Jrs. don't know whether to Pizz standing up or sitting down. My 2 cents.
 
I see your point and will somewhat agree but somehow I see coaches adapting more than parents.

Maybe it isn't the kids gone soft but the parents. That dynamic has changed more than anything I can remember. IMO, Coaches have evolved and they have adapted to current football philosophy and their available player talent and it ain't their job to raise someone else kid.

It does not take me long to see kids in pre game that are the workers and the ones begging for 50 bucks from mom or dad. Sadly, the 50 buck beggars are overtaking the workers.

Yes, I do believe there is a "softness" in kids but again under the wings of their parents. Christ, I saw mothers in the stands with banners, flowers and homecoming proposals for their sons dance date. WTF?!? Promposals, again, WTF?!? Coaches have evolved but parents have devolved.

Manager, boss, owner. Nope. my company, my way. Conform or look for another job, there are workers looking for jobs and will perform as the job dictates. I can argue this both ways but right now, I see parents needing to build some calluses on Jr and get the F out of the way. One day pampered kids are going to need to make hay on their own. Hell, some of the Jrs. don't know whether to Pizz standing up or sitting down. My 2 cents.
I'm not see the connection between this and being soft. Care to explain?
 
I'm not see the connection between this and being soft. Care to explain?
Did your mother ever need to help you ask for a date? What happened to being a man and going up to the girl and politely asking for a date without all the pomp, circumstance and DRAMA? Hell, I would have cut my throat if my mother would have made a production out of me getting a homecoming date. Times change, I get it, but damn. This screams soft and even evolutionist see this as a paradigm to their central beliefs of a man/woman relationship.
 
The "soft" argument is overplayed, in my opinion. I feel that, as generations change, so does society, and football (all sports really) need to change with it. The easy excuse is to say the kids are soft. Shouldn't it be on the coaches (in the real world, the boss, manager, whoever) to adjust for the kids, to an extent? Don't we expect coaches to adjust the X's and O's to fit the kids they have in their program? Just my input, but I think it is up to coaches to find a way to get their athletes to buy in and be successful. "Soft" is just an excuse, a problem, and coaches should focus on solutions, not problems. My 2 cents.
i understand what you’re getting at and i partially agree that it’s on the coaches, etc to adjust to the current generation of kids. however, i’m not sure how that would work with football. football is physical in nature and you don’t have football without blocking and tackling. i think we are seeing more coaches shy away from contact in practice (injury purposes, as well kids wanting no part in it). when i played in high school i remember we ran the oklahoma drill, tunnel drill, and others. tackling drills was a non-negotiable at practice.

if coaches truly wanted to adjust to the generation of kids, they would be playing 7 on 7 ball. i don’t agree with that, but that’s what it would have to look like.
 
Did your mother ever need to help you ask for a date? What happened to being a man and going up to the girl and politely asking for a date without all the pomp, circumstance and DRAMA? Hell, I would have cut my throat if my mother would have made a production out of me getting a homecoming date. Times change, I get it, but damn. This screams soft and even evolutionist see this as a paradigm to their central beliefs of a man/woman relationship.
I did not have my mom assist me with anything in regards to asking a girl to a dance. I guess I just see this as different. If you want to make a production out of it and you need your mom or other family member to hold onto the stuff until you are done with your game and can ask yourself then I don't have an issue with it. Now if the mom is doing the actual asking thats different.
 
The "soft" argument is overplayed, in my opinion. I feel that, as generations change, so does society, and football (all sports really) need to change with it. The easy excuse is to say the kids are soft. Shouldn't it be on the coaches (in the real world, the boss, manager, whoever) to adjust for the kids, to an extent? Don't we expect coaches to adjust the X's and O's to fit the kids they have in their program? Just my input, but I think it is up to coaches to find a way to get their athletes to buy in and be successful. "Soft" is just an excuse, a problem, and coaches should focus on solutions, not problems. My 2 cents.
While I do feel a lot of companies need to come out of the 70's and 80's with their call off policies (You can call off for your funeral, otherwise be at work) and overall PTO policies, the adjustments the current generation seem to want is not sustainable. I work with entirely too many people who don't understand how to work through adversity and I think at least some of it does come back to the whole "soft" issue.
 
I did not have my mom assist me with anything in regards to asking a girl to a dance. I guess I just see this as different. If you want to make a production out of it and you need your mom or other family member to hold onto the stuff until you are done with your game and can ask yourself then I don't have an issue with it. Now if the mom is doing the actual asking thats different.
I think we are on the same page, in a round about way. Just take a look around the next time you are in the stands at homecoming season and you'll see what I am talking about. I appreciate your comments and insight and you are at the top of my list of must reads for football and especially the CBC posts.
 
I think we are on the same page, in a round about way. Just take a look around the next time you are in the stands at homecoming season and you'll see what I am talking about. I appreciate your comments and insight and you are at the top of my list of must reads for football and especially the CBC posts.
I try to have thought out opinions and thoughtful insight.
 
While I do feel a lot of companies need to come out of the 70's and 80's with their call off policies (You can call off for your funeral, otherwise be at work) and overall PTO policies, the adjustments the current generation seem to want is not sustainable. I work with entirely too many people who don't understand how to work through adversity and I think at least some of it does come back to the whole "soft" issue.
I like this post. I think many of the younger generation see adversity as negative. I tend to lean into stoicism, as adversity is just a function of life and how you deal with it. Coaches are the prime example. No matter what happens they deal with it and find solutions, parents on the other hand can have differing opinions and many times cause more problems than solutions.
 
I did this for the OHC teams and was curious about the CBC schools. This info is from the Ohio High School data base:


The site has the alltime record, scores for each game, most of the location (home, away, neutral), has conference/league records & standings for current and defunct conferences and the playoff records. It also has each schools record vs all of the opponents/teams they have played.

Here is the CBC schools records since 1972:

London:
* 268-241-4, 52.63%
* 147-115-2 home, 127-132-3 away, 4-6-0 neutral
* 10-12 playoffs in 12 appearances
* 21-4-0 in 5 CBC seasons

Jonathan Alder:
* 307-199-4, 60.59%
* 163-104-1 home, 153-107-4 away, 6-9-0 neutral
* 15-21 playoffs in 21 appearances
* 24-9-0 in 7 CBC seasons

Bellefontaine:
* 314-199-3, 61.14%
* 170-100-3 home, 149-107-0 away, 3-6-0 neutral
* 8-14 playoffs in 14 appearances

Kenton Ridge
* 230-230-2, 50.00%
* 124-107-2 home, 108-125-0 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 0-4 playoffs in 4 appearances

Urbana:
* 345-165-5, 67.48%
* 198-78-3 home, 152-97-2 away, 6-8-0 neutral
* 10-18 playoffs in 18 appearances

Tecumseh:
* 228-281-5, 44.84%
* 120-145-2 home, 112-142-3 away, 1-5-0 neutral
* 5-11 playoffs in 11 appearances

Springfield Shawnee:
* 271-227-6, 54.37%
* 161-99-4 home, 124-132-2 away, 5-9-0 neutral
* 19-13 playoffs in 14 appearances

Indian Lake:
* 248-267-1, 48.16%
* 132-124-1 home, 118-148-0 away, 0-1-0 neutral
* 2-6 playoffs in 6 appearances

Springfield Northwestern:
* 134-370-3, 26.73%
* 75-175-2 home, 59-197-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

North Union:
* 233-277-5, 45.73%
* 124-137-3 home, 114-147-2 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 5-9 playoffs in 9 appearances

Springfield Graham:
* 228-284-3, 44.57%
* 120-139-2 home, 110-150-1 away, 1-2-0 neutral
* 3-7 playoffs in 7 appearances

Benjamin Logan:
* 240-271-3, 46.98%
* 118-134-2 home, 122-139-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

*****Not all of the home, away, neutral records equal the all time records for some schools as the site is still trying to get the home/away/neutral location for some games.
 
I did this for the OHC teams and was curious about the CBC schools. This info is from the Ohio High School data base:


The site has the alltime record, scores for each game, most of the location (home, away, neutral), has conference/league records & standings for current and defunct conferences and the playoff records. It also has each schools record vs all of the opponents/teams they have played.

Here is the CBC schools records since 1972:

London:
* 268-241-4, 52.63%
* 147-115-2 home, 127-132-3 away, 4-6-0 neutral
* 10-12 playoffs in 12 appearances
* 21-4-0 in 5 CBC seasons

Jonathan Alder:
* 307-199-4, 60.59%
* 163-104-1 home, 153-107-4 away, 6-9-0 neutral
* 15-21 playoffs in 21 appearances
* 24-9-0 in 7 CBC seasons

Bellefontaine:
* 314-199-3, 61.14%
* 170-100-3 home, 149-107-0 away, 3-6-0 neutral
* 8-14 playoffs in 14 appearances

Kenton Ridge
* 230-230-2, 50.00%
* 124-107-2 home, 108-125-0 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 0-4 playoffs in 4 appearances

Urbana:
* 345-165-5, 67.48%
* 198-78-3 home, 152-97-2 away, 6-8-0 neutral
* 10-18 playoffs in 18 appearances

Tecumseh:
* 228-281-5, 44.84%
* 120-145-2 home, 112-142-3 away, 1-5-0 neutral
* 5-11 playoffs in 11 appearances

Springfield Shawnee:
* 271-227-6, 54.37%
* 161-99-4 home, 124-132-2 away, 5-9-0 neutral
* 19-13 playoffs in 14 appearances

Indian Lake:
* 248-267-1, 48.16%
* 132-124-1 home, 118-148-0 away, 0-1-0 neutral
* 2-6 playoffs in 6 appearances

Springfield Northwestern:
* 134-370-3, 26.73%
* 75-175-2 home, 59-197-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

North Union:
* 233-277-5, 45.73%
* 124-137-3 home, 114-147-2 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 5-9 playoffs in 9 appearances

Springfield Graham:
* 228-284-3, 44.57%
* 120-139-2 home, 110-150-1 away, 1-2-0 neutral
* 3-7 playoffs in 7 appearances

Benjamin Logan:
* 240-271-3, 46.98%
* 118-134-2 home, 122-139-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

*****Not all of the home, away, neutral records equal the all time records for some schools as the site is still trying to get the home/away/neutral location for some games.
This is good stuff. Thanks for the work.

Things that stick out to me.
Alder win percentage is better than I would have guessed.
I am surprised with the home vs away records. Alder, Ben Logan, Graham, Tecumseh and North Union.
Urbana leads the conference in win percentage and total wins by a fair margin.
Shawnee playoff games played and the only school with a winning record.
Northwestern would have to go 10-0 over the next 24 years to break even. Meeks being the Senior Citizen of CBC coaches may have more wins than NW. How is that possible?

The data seems to support the KT is a bit more consistent and the stronger of the teams...within a perspective of strength of schedules assumed to be played.

Just to poke the bear, Urbana has more wins than Bellefontaine, lol. I am sure there will be a head to head record posted shortly but playoff history cannot be debated, lol.

Again, good stuff WJ-OSU-Steelers!
 
This is good stuff. Thanks for the work.

Things that stick out to me.
Alder win percentage is better than I would have guessed.
I am surprised with the home vs away records. Alder, Ben Logan, Graham, Tecumseh and North Union.
Urbana leads the conference in win percentage and total wins by a fair margin.
Shawnee playoff games played and the only school with a winning record.
Northwestern would have to go 10-0 over the next 24 years to break even. Meeks being the Senior Citizen of CBC coaches may have more wins than NW. How is that possible?

The data seems to support the KT is a bit more consistent and the stronger of the teams...within a perspective of strength of schedules assumed to be played.

Just to poke the bear, Urbana has more wins than Bellefontaine, lol. I am sure there will be a head to head record posted shortly but playoff history cannot be debated, lol.

Again, good stuff WJ-OSU-Steelers!

Urbana leads the head to head bs Bellefontaine 25-20. If you go to the site you can see the head to head for each school, the site is excellent
 
Urbana leads the head to head bs Bellefontaine 25-20. If you go to the site you can see the head to head for each school, the site is excellent
Uh Oh, the Chef faithful will not be happy with this information. :ROFLMAO: :banana:

BTW, I could not find this for the OHC (I may have not looked enough in that thread). Just curious about Greenon and NE.

Again, thanks...good stuff.
 
Uh Oh, the Chef faithful will not be happy with this information. :ROFLMAO: :banana:

BTW, I could not find this for the OHC (I may have not looked enough in that thread). Just curious about Greenon and NE.

Again, thanks...good stuff.

Here is the OHC schools records since 1972:

West Jefferson:
* 366-136-4, 72.73%
* 203-68-3 home, 177-72-1 away, 20-20-0 neutral
* 36-24 playoffs in 26 appearances

West Liberty-Salem:
* 308-199-2, 60.72%
* 162-102-2 home, 156-104-0 away, 3-8-0 neutral
* 13-15 playoffs in 15 appearances

Mechanicsburg:
* 306-208-0, 59.53%
* 174-98-0 home, 148-120-0 away, 8-10-0 neutral
* 24-20 playoffs in 20 appearances

Triad:
* 235-280-2, 45.65%
* 115-144 -0 home, 123-141-2 away, 1-2-0 neutral
* 4-7 playoffs in 7 appearances

Springfield Northeastern:
* 246-266-1, 48.05%
* 128-130-1 home, 120-143-0 away, 0-4-0 neutral
* 2-11 playoffs in 11 appearances

Fairbanks:
* 292-219-1, 57.13%
* 151-105-1 home, 143-119-0 away, 0-3-0 neutral
* 2-8 playoffs in 8 appearances

Springfield Catholic Central:
* 269-240-9, 52.80%
* 149-113-4 home, 128-131-5 away, 6-10-0 neutral
* 14-14 playoffs in 14 appearances

Madison Plains:
* 160-354-1, 31.17%
* 90-170-0 home, 71-184-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 1-1 playoffs in 1 appearance

South Charleston SE:
* 247-261-6, 48.64%
* 140-123-2 home, 111-142-6 away, 1-4-0 neutral
* 5-8 playoffs in 8 appearances

Greeneview:
* 228-283-0, 44.62%
* 119-142-0 home, 114-146-0 away, 0-4-0 neutral
* 5-9 playoffs in 9 appearances

Greenon:
* 170-331-4, 34.06%
* 84-170-1 home, 87-164-3 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 1-3 playoffs in 3 appearances

Cedarville:
* 293-214-3, 57.75%
* 151-105-1 home, 143-119-0 away, 0-3-0 neutral
* 2-8 playoffs in 8 appearances
 
Regarding the Urbana v. Shawnee game of 1987, which Shawnee won 7-0. Robert Gause and Brian Turner (all-state players mentioned in earlier posts) along with Jerry Riggle (starting middle linebacker/fullback) were all injured the week before in the Kenton Ridge game and did not play against Urbana. The Braves won that game playing kids starting their first game of the season in key positions. The QB McGinnis also played in the secondary for the first time that season. They won that game on heart and hustle.
 
I did this for the OHC teams and was curious about the CBC schools. This info is from the Ohio High School data base:


The site has the alltime record, scores for each game, most of the location (home, away, neutral), has conference/league records & standings for current and defunct conferences and the playoff records. It also has each schools record vs all of the opponents/teams they have played.

Here is the CBC schools records since 1972:

London:
* 268-241-4, 52.63%
* 147-115-2 home, 127-132-3 away, 4-6-0 neutral
* 10-12 playoffs in 12 appearances
* 21-4-0 in 5 CBC seasons

Jonathan Alder:
* 307-199-4, 60.59%
* 163-104-1 home, 153-107-4 away, 6-9-0 neutral
* 15-21 playoffs in 21 appearances
* 24-9-0 in 7 CBC seasons

Bellefontaine:
* 314-199-3, 61.14%
* 170-100-3 home, 149-107-0 away, 3-6-0 neutral
* 8-14 playoffs in 14 appearances

Kenton Ridge
* 230-230-2, 50.00%
* 124-107-2 home, 108-125-0 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 0-4 playoffs in 4 appearances

Urbana:
* 345-165-5, 67.48%
* 198-78-3 home, 152-97-2 away, 6-8-0 neutral
* 10-18 playoffs in 18 appearances

Tecumseh:
* 228-281-5, 44.84%
* 120-145-2 home, 112-142-3 away, 1-5-0 neutral
* 5-11 playoffs in 11 appearances

Springfield Shawnee:
* 271-227-6, 54.37%
* 161-99-4 home, 124-132-2 away, 5-9-0 neutral
* 19-13 playoffs in 14 appearances

Indian Lake:
* 248-267-1, 48.16%
* 132-124-1 home, 118-148-0 away, 0-1-0 neutral
* 2-6 playoffs in 6 appearances

Springfield Northwestern:
* 134-370-3, 26.73%
* 75-175-2 home, 59-197-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

North Union:
* 233-277-5, 45.73%
* 124-137-3 home, 114-147-2 away, 0-2-0 neutral
* 5-9 playoffs in 9 appearances

Springfield Graham:
* 228-284-3, 44.57%
* 120-139-2 home, 110-150-1 away, 1-2-0 neutral
* 3-7 playoffs in 7 appearances

Benjamin Logan:
* 240-271-3, 46.98%
* 118-134-2 home, 122-139-1 away, 0-0-0 neutral
* 0-2 playoffs in 2 appearances

*****Not all of the home, away, neutral records equal the all time records for some schools as the site is still trying to get the home/away/neutral location for some games.
One problem with that database is that it only goes bac
 
If OSU gets this QB transfer from Alabama the qb room will be very crowded and very talented with Air Noland. Will that affect the recruiting of Bellefontane qb St.Clare? I’m already seeing speculation about Devin Brown transferring out this spring.
 
If OSU gets this QB transfer from Alabama the qb room will be very crowded and very talented with Air Noland. Will that affect the recruiting of Bellefontane qb St.Clare? I’m already seeing speculation about Devin Brown transferring out this spring.
No
 
If OSU gets this QB transfer from Alabama the qb room will be very crowded and very talented with Air Noland. Will that affect the recruiting of Bellefontane qb St.Clare? I’m already seeing speculation about Devin Brown transferring out this spring.
QB room will definitely be crowded, excited to see how much these young men push each other to get better.
unfortunately we can expect to lose a few great QBs in the years to come.
 
If OSU gets this QB transfer from Alabama the qb room will be very crowded and very talented with Air Noland. Will that affect the recruiting of Bellefontane qb St.Clare? I’m already seeing speculation about Devin Brown transferring out this spring.
you make a good point. competition is good however when the room gets too crowded, players will leave. if OSU had 4 scholarship QBs on the roster, would St Clair really want to be the 5th?
 
you make a good point. competition is good however when the room gets too crowded, players will leave. if OSU had 4 scholarship QBs on the roster, would St Clair really want to be the 5th?
Will Howard will be gone by the time St. Clair arrives in Columbus next January. You would think that Devin Brown and Keinholz would leave if they get passed up by Howard and then have to risk losing their spot to a younger Nolan or Sayin. St Clair will be all of 6'5 240 by the time he is a Buckeye.
 
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